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Are Fallen Angels Immortal or are
Satan and His Fallen Angels
Destroyed in the Fires of Hell?

 

Is Satan in Charge of Hell?

Often Satan is pictured as being in control of Hell where he tends the fires of the agonizing wicked. Thus Satan is pictured as tormenting the wicked. Is that truly what is going to happen? Is that happening now?

This kind of arrangement would seem to make God and Satan partners, because who is it that would have to set up Satan as the one in charge of the punishment of the wicked? Would God be in agreement to this kind of arrangement?

Is Satan actually able to provide a service for God or are they actually true enemies?

Satan Became God's Enemy

Let's look in the Bible to see what kind of relation God has with Satan.

  1. How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
  2. For you have said in your heart: I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north;
  3. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.
  4. Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol (hell), To the lowest depths of the Pit. Isaiah 14:12-15 NKJV

In Isaiah, we find that Satan wanted to be like God. He wanted to have the power and respect that God had. And so He became proud and aggressive in his actions. In Ezekiel we have more information about what happened with Satan who originally was the anointed covering cherub:

  1. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
  2. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
  3. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Ezekiel 28:14-16

In Ezekiel 28, we see that originally God created Satan as being perfect in all his ways. But because of his becoming proud and wanting to be like God, he became full of violence. He became a profane thing and so God had to cast him out of heaven. In addition, we find that God is going to destroy this being.

In Revelation we find, when Satan was thrown out of Heaven, that Satan had quite a following of angels that were cast out with him.

  1. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
  2. And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
  3. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Revelation 12:7-9

Satan took his fallen angels and came to the earth to deceive Adam and Eve. Today the whole world is attacked and deceived by them.

  1. Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 1 Peter 5:8

What we see throughout the Bible is that God is going to destroy Satan and his evil angels. We will be looking at more of these texts soon, but for now let's look at the verse we already seen:

  1. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Ezekiel 28:14-16

It should be clear that there can be no real agreement between God and Satan. God is going to destroy him! They are enemies. So, Satan cannot be in charge of Hell by any kind of agreement!

Now, some say that angels are immortal and cannot die. How could God kill and destroy the evil angels if they cannot die and are immortal? So, because of this belief, some believe these angels will be tormented both day and night forever and ever. Is that true?

Are Angels Immortal?

Let's first find out what is going to happen to the evil angels.

  1. And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 1:6
  1. For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:4

The evil angels who rebelled against God were not allowed to continue living in Heaven which was their first estate. Now they are reserved in everlasting chains for judgment day!

  1. Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
  2. Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 1 Corinthians 6:2-3

We also find that it is God's people, the saints, who will not only judge wicked people, but they will judge the wicked angels.

So, we can see that these angels are now waiting for judgement. But we need to find out whether this judgement results in death for these angels or to be tormented forever.

To help answer this question, we must turn to 1 Timothy. Basically, it says that God alone has immortality. That means no one else has immortality.

  1. I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate,
  2. that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing,
  3. which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
  4. who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen. 1 Timothy 6:13-16

If God alone has immortality, that means all others can die. Does that mean the angels too? Are they all going to die?

No, We know that the angels in heaven will live forever, however it is on condition that they do not rebel and sin against God. We know this because of what the Bible says will happen to Satan and the evil angels who followed him. We will see that Satan and his evil angels will indeed die.

Let's first listen to what the evil angels themselves say. Jesus had some conversations with some of these lost evil angels and we can even feel the terror they must feel as the time approaches

  1. And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice,
  2. Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God. Luke 4:34

It is very interesting to me that this demon asked Jesus if He was here to destroy them. I believe that their own destruction is on their mind.

  1. And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time? Matthew 8:29

It is also clear that the fallen angels have one great fear. They know that their time is coming when they will be destroyed and they view Christ's presence as a tormentation reminding them of it before the time.

James speaks of this fear the demons have of their future:

  1. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. James 2:19.

Actually, the Bible clearly does NOT teach that angels cannot die. Nowhere does it suggest that they cannot die. Instead we find that it is only God who is immortal. The Bible also says He will destroy the evil angels. Here are some more of the verses that speak of their destruction.

These first few verses refer to only Satan:

  1. Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
  2. and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. Hebrews 2:14

Of course we already saw this next text:

  1. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Ezekiel 28:14-16

From the text in Hebrews, we see that one of the reasons why Jesus became flesh and blood was so that through His death, He would be able to destroy the devil. It is specifically through His death that Jesus has power to destroy Satan!

We see the same thing in the next text. Christ was manifested on earth so that He can destroy the works of the devil.

  1. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8

Satan and his evil angels are destined to be placed in the same everlasting fire, at the end, that the wicked people will be placed in. We see that in Matthew 25:

  1. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Matt. 25:41

So both evil people and evil angels will be placed in the same everlasting fire. The wicked people will experience their second death which is permanent. There is no coming back. Satan and the evil angels, while they have not died before, they will also be permanently destroyed. They will also never live again.

  1. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
  1. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
  2. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:10, 24-15.

In Ezekiel 28 we already saw that God will destroy Satan. But now we will look at a few more verses that describe in more specific language how Satan will be destroyed:

  1. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
  2. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
  3. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
  4. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
  5. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
  6. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. Ezekiel 28:14-19.

Here we not only see that God will destroy Satan so that he will never be alive anymore, but God says He will set a fire from within Satan that will devour him. Thus the fire will devour him until he is nothing more than ashes.

We already saw that there will be a fire that is prepared for both the devil and his angels:

  1. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Matt. 25:41

So, we can see that the evil angels will be destroyed in the same way that Satan will be destroyed. A fire that is set from within them that brings them to ashes.

Malachi helps confirm this idea:

  1. For behold, the day is coming, Burning like an oven, And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up, Says the LORD of hosts, That will leave them neither root nor branch.
  2. But to you who fear My name The Sun of Righteousness shall arise With healing in His wings; And you shall go out And grow fat like stall-fed calves.
  3. You shall trample the wicked, For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet On the day that I do this, Says the LORD of hosts. Malachi 4:1-3.

Malachi says that it is all that do wickedly will be stubble; Not just wicked humans. It is an emphatic statement. "And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble." That includes both people and angels because they have both done wickedly against God!

Jesus often speaks of us being branches that are either attached or grafted in to the vine which is Jesus (John 15:4-6; Romans 11:17-24). In the domain of wickedness, Satan is the root, since he is the root of all evil.

Evil originated with Satan. So when God through Malachi says both root and branch are destroyed, it means that Satan, the root of all evil, will be destroyed along with all his followers of evil which are the branches. Both evil people and angels will be destroyed with Satan their leader.

Let us go back to Revelation and cover something we overlooked:

  1. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
  1. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
  2. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:10, 24-15.

Within the same chapter, and only a few verses apart, this lake of fire is described as lasting for ever and ever and it is also called the second death! How can it be both?

The second death means that there is no coming back. They will never live again. This is the same aspect, that of permanent death, that the wicked angels will also experience.

So, since the second death is well developed in Revelation, there must be something wrong with our understand of the phrase "for ever and ever".

Now lets look at this phrase: "shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever". What does it mean?

To the Hebrew, the word "everlasting," "forever," and "eternal" were like the word "tall". These words describe an unmeasured duration, just as "tall" is used to describe an unmeasured height. The meaning can vary depending on what or who is being described. We can talk about a tall mountain and a tall man. But they are not the same height.

Jonah says that the time he spent in the belly of the whale was "forever", but in another place we find that he says he was in the whale for three days:

  1. I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God. Jonah 2:6
  1. Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights. Jonah 1:17

So in Jonah's case, "for ever" means three days.

Here is another example, in Old Testament Hebrew, where forever only means how long a person will live:

  1. If your brother, a Hebrew man, or a Hebrew woman, is sold to you and serves you six years, then in the seventh year you shall let him go free from you.
  2. And when you send him away free from you, you shall not let him go away empty-handed;
  3. you shall supply him liberally from your flock, from your threshing floor, and from your winepress. From what the LORD has blessed you with, you shall give to him.
  4. You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God redeemed you; therefore I command you this thing today.
  5. And if it happens that he says to you, 'I will not go away from you,' because he loves you and your house, since he prospers with you,
  6. then you shall take an awl and thrust it through his ear to the door, and he shall be your servant forever. Also to your female servant you shall do likewise. Deuteronomy 15:12-17

Obviously, the person can only be a servant for as long as he or she lives. He or she does not live for eternity. So forever means only his or her life-time. The idea that forever in the Old Testament Bible can be just a limited lifetime of an individual is common.

Coming back to Revelation 20:

  1. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
  1. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
  2. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:10, 24-15.

So, in the case of the wicked, forever is however long it takes for the fire to fully consume them until they are just ashes.

For a more in-depth study on "forever and ever" click on the icon to the right to see more:

Do the wicked get tormented day and night for ever and ever? To see the Bible evidence click on the link to the right (A new window will appear).

Are the Wicked Tormented Day and Night for Ever and Ever as mentioned in Revelation? What then is the second death?

The next link is a more general study of Hell fire. It looks at the preponderance of evidence all throughout the Bible saying that the Wicked will not burn forever in the flames.

Hell Fire, does it last forever? To see the Bible evidence that the wicked will be destroyed click on the link to the right (A new window will appear).

Hell Fire, Does it last forever? Is Satan in charge of Hell? Do people really moan and groan forever in agony and pain?



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What happens when we die? Do we go to Heaven or Hell right away when we die? What does Jesus mean by sleep?
What happens during the 1000 years following Jesus' Second Coming? What about Judgement and what does the Bible say?
Hell Fire, Does it last forever? Is Satan in charge of Hell? Do people really moan and groan forever in agony and pain?
Are the Wicked Tormented Day and Night for Ever and Ever as mentioned in Revelation? What then is the second death?


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